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I have never bought the argument that beauty queens are representatives of a nation. In this age of increasing superficiality I find something unsettling about skin-deep beauty in and of itself being celebrated as an achievement – which is what is actually happening in these competitions regardless of the marketing buzz that attempts to make them appear more than that. The very idea of a “competition” for beauty is a bit of an oxymoron in my view – and the nature of most such competitions is more like a titillating spectacle to cater to the rather less fine instincts of viewing kind – as the most popular section of the contests clearly demonstrates. The adding of a final “question” round in some competitions doesn’t really help except in providing some participants opportunity to handily stuff their feet in their mouths – as a quick check on youtube would readily show. I am not at all surprised the local competition was taken off TV this year. It had finally exhausted Singaporeans rather generous tolerance of sub-par programs.
However since the organizers of such competitions would like to portray the competitions and participants as worthwhile activities and role models, respectively, it is interesting to note that a basic background check was not, it seems, conducted for the current Miss Singapore World who, it turns out had been convicted of credit card fraud prior to the competition.
According to the Straits Times (Page A3, September 26th), over a two-month period last year she spent almost $8000 on 7 credit cards stolen from customers of a clinic where she was an assistant.
Frankly, if this is true, it is a big deal. I really do not think it can by any stretch of the imagination be called a “moment of folly”, that you can be let off with a slap on the wrist. That’s a two-month long moment!
Given what I have read about her, I am not surprised she has refused to give up her “crown” out of simple decency given that she’s clearly not the role model that she ought to be to inspire other young girls. The behaviour displayed is clearly more selfish than selfless. So what kind of role model are we talking about here? Perhaps this is the kind of cheap consumerist behaviour (buying $8000 worth of stuff on debt – someone else’s debt!) that is to be encouraged to make the consumer-driven economy prosper…!
I am more surprised by the reported behaviour of ERM World Marketing, organizers of the pageant, which seems to be reacting very slowly to this revelation (which it really should have caught before the competition), and which apparently responded to the ST’s queries with the line “Singaporeans did not pay for her”.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
Weren’t they the ones that were touting this is a “national” pageant, something that Singaporeans should accept and support? I guess the minimum required in such a case is to have a product that can be accepted and supported. A pageant winner who’s a convicted cheat is not really something acceptable or supportable.
If they can’t recognized that, and take rapid action to salvage their position, I guess the sponsors, who did “pay for her” will have something to say about next year’s “national pageant”.
I wonder who is going to organize that – and really – if this is the state of affairs, why bother having one anyway?
Fredric Fanthome
September 27th, 2009 at 1:21 am
@Darkness
I am really not at all sure that the famous Bene Gesserit ‘Litany against Fear’ from Frank Herbert’s “Dune” which you have copied here is applicable in this case at all. There is a rather stark difference between the values of Lady Jessica and the girl in question.
And I am not talking about her “screwing up”, in any case. Sure she can get back up on her feet – but the argument that she’s a role model and should remain a national representative, based on her behaviour so far is a little much to swallow. I am not saying it because others are saying it – I would say it regardless. I just find it strange that a “role model” crown has not been taken from a convicted criminal. It’s not like she’s had to face difficult circumstances that others threw her way. Credit card fraud is quite a self-made problem, don’t you think? And I don’t think it is at all courageous to cheat – over two months – for no reason at all, admittedly, except greed. She wasn’t feeding hungry children with the money, you know.
I disagree completely that she has the makings of a winner. Cheating is certainly not good enough for me.
Certainly, she can pick herself up from this and move on. My larger question is about pageants and the kind of values they are teaching – or in this case, condoning, if some action is not taken regarding her “crown”.
Fredric Fanthome
September 27th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
@Darkness,
Bombastic stuff, but you’re actually making my argument – that beauty pageants are nothing more than base entertainment that promote superficiality. That pageant winners should not be looked up to as role models and people to emulate and frankly that beauty pageants are not worth having because the kind of values the seem to teach (or here condone) are suspect.
It’s the winners and organizers who want to portray these competitions as more than what they are – calling them places where leaders, “winners” and role models are chosen, in their effort to make them appear more acceptable than they should be. You yourself called the girl a “winner”. Now I suppose you were referring only to her as a winner of skin-deep beauty competitions and nothing more? In that case I agree with you. But as a winner in an all-round capacity – as a person, some one others can look up to, emulate and admire? Not so fast. Perhaps when she’s worked through her problems and demonstrated true leadership. Not just yet.
Nationalism is red herring here, and you know it. I referred to the pageant as a national competition and the winner as “representing” Singapore – these are words from the organizers and participants – read the newspapers where the girl and the runner up talks about “representing” Singapore. So that’s not my invention. To the extent that they believe they “represent” Singapore, a certain level of dignity of behaviour is required.
And I am not talking about morality. I am talking about criminal activity. Very different. Very well defined and very objectively defined. I am not into moral policing at all, but I do believe that the law of the land needs to be followed. I was pointing out the rather stark situation where the pageant appointed “role model/representative” of the country has been convicted of credit card fraud – which is an extremely serious offence in Singapore, in case you’re not aware of it – and no action seems to have been taken by the pageant organisers. As it stands, the girl is unbelievably lucky not to have been jailed. Had she been there would have been no question of her being in the competition to begin with.
What I am saying is that I am not surprised at all to find such a situation. The kind of superficiality that a beauty pageant promotes means that those who associate with it find consumerist bling attractive and while breaking the law is, of course extreme, self-centeredness, shallowness and oftentimes greed is ubiquitous and in some ways encouraged as a “winning” attitude. I personally find this ugly.
I don’t see how any of this, or any of my last posts, is insulting your intelligence. If you choose to feel insulted because I disagree with your remark that the girl is courageous and a winner, that’s your lookout. It’s you who is using exaggerated comparisons to try and get me to “understand” your point – as if I might not be able to grasp such a simple argument, even if you don’t consider that you are actually agreeing with my basic premise.
Oh, and my name is Fredric, not Fedric.
rodolfo
September 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
She is very courageous. And she has made some mistakes. And at the same time, she comes across as a little nonchalant about it all. And I don’t think that is right. I don’t think she should keep her title. If anything, it is high time the organisers break their silence and do something about it.
great wall journal
September 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
-darkness, do you deny that your parachutist have been shutting down forums in norrath & everquest and ten other confederation sites just because a few gamers are criticising ris low? Isnt it reasonable for people to expect the same values they subscribe too, to be reflected in public figures?
-darkness, do you deny that there may even be a economic component to your actions? We all know the Japanese and Taiwanese have been hammering your markets and none of you seem to have any imagination to respond to these emerging threats in the gaming scene. Is it true that all this may be just be a perlude to some grand design to crave up competitive advantage?
I hope. I get a reply. I hope my post will not be censored.
everdie
September 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
darkness, you are right, probabilities dont make for probabilities. You would have thought someone who is so smart would already have realized that everything is stacked against you and your crew to even consider cutting losses.
You dont stand a chance Darkness. As for you and your paras what can we all say. You may win over here, but over in the real world, we all know how the chips will fall.
This is not the first time and I suspect it will not be the last either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddNYvUVCpjI
But I dont think thats nearly enough, do you Darkness?
obeserver 2
September 30th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
She has thrown in the towel. She is free as a bird. The same cannot be said abt you Darkness. Raiding confederation sites that fly the free neutral flag is a capital offence! And you know jolly well what will have to happen after this!
Maybe you should share with us all what your plan really is. If it makes sense, I am sure many will be less prepared to chide you for your actions. You have done worst and many have in the past turned a blind eye, but you have to come clean. I mean well. I really do. Besides there are much more important things than fallen beauty queens, there is the very serious matter of the Japanese muscling into our market share. There is also the issue of thousands of people who rely on gaming platforms to put real food on the table to feed real families! Maybe if you should come clean with all of us for a change, instead of winging it alone all the time.
Darkness
September 30th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
As for Ris Low, feast your eyes on this: http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/09/30/straits-times-named-ris-lows-photo-as-sg-stupid-jpg/. This incidentally merely confirms my long standing suspicion about certain journalist in the ST in this sordid affair.
I think there is a need to reflect deeper on the broader ramifications of this “attitude”; it would appear this is all about Ris Low; nothing can be further from the case in point – it’s about you!
My friends it seems curious to me that while no one here or anywhere else in broader blog-o-sphere and beyond considers racist and hate speech synonymous with something that cannot possibly be tolerated in the name of the greater good – but when it comes to snobbery that makes it all too expedient to allow one person to tear down another with remarkable ease in the internet; then it would seem to be alright and even fair game.
This should prompt every thinking person to ask: why should that be so? Here we may have to contend ourselves with the theoretical possibility snobbery may even be more dangerous than bigotry and insensitivity to the faith of others – and why is that so?
Because unlike those other twin heads of evil which none of us seem to have any problem in recognizing and even responding sensibly too – it would appear; we have yet to develop a correspondingly appropriate reaction to effectively get on top of snobbery – otherwise what could possibly account for why so many of us remain terminally indifferent to its corrosive effects; as snobbery for lack of a better word is simply the “right” to look down and past judgment on others; may be dressed up as wholesome advice and even constructive feedback or even what’s served up here; but when we peel off the veneer and look at it deeper; it cannot be a pretty thing – you have every right to argue the case, she doesn’t deserve to hold on to the crown like the author here; but you don’t have any right to judge her by passing an oblique statement on her character i.e she is stupid! That you do not have a right to do!
In summary, let us not fool ourselves any longer; the justifications for our criticism can somehow lay claim to a higher pedigree and is not closer to what we usually regard as abhorrent and repugnant when we talk in the same breathe about hate speech –as they are in effect one of the same reality and there in its seemingly benign nature lies its full terror.
You all chew on that!
Darkness 2009
sgcynic
September 30th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Darkness
September 26th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
“I know a lot of people who are much older than her who can probably even speak and write better but who have also screwed up big time but they don’t even have anything near the courage to admit one toenail of what this girl is prepared to come to terms with; she has all the makings of a winner”
Indeed. One person who came straight to my mind – PAP MP and STTA president Lee Bee Wah, who shot her mouth off criticising former coach Liu Guodong and cast doubts on his integrity and professionalim. When Liu flew all the way back to Singapore to seek clarification and justice, Lee hid behind her STTA colleagues. Not a clarification, much less a retraction and an apology.
Now Lee has the cheek to weigh in on Ris Low (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_435553.html)
Even a politician has weighed in: Member of Parliament Lee Bee Wah (Ang Mo Kio GRC) told the Chinese evening daily Shin Min on Saturday that Miss Low should not represent Singapore internationally.
She said: ‘Using another person’s credit card is a very serious offence. Honesty and integrity are very important.’
Seems that we have lower standards for (PAP) politicians. (Contrast with how James Gomez was hounded, or JBJ, “you know”.)
Claire
October 1st, 2009 at 1:27 am
I completely disagree with Darkness.
What he’s saying sounds incredibly noble and even altruistic to an extent, but honestly, it’s rather naive thinking. No offense intended.
I respect Ms Low for her headstrong personality as well as her guts to stand up against the media and society. Very impressive for a young lady of the mere age of 19.
Nonetheless, there is NO excuse for breaking the law.
Whether it’s stealing a chocolate bar from the mama shop or committing a credit card fraud, it is still a crime.
“I know a lot of people who are much older than her who can probably even speak and write better but who have also screwed up big time but they don’t even have anything near the courage to admit one toenail of what this girl is prepared to come to terms with; she has all the makings of a winner”
If this is your justification, I believe that it is inaccurate that Ms Low owned up to her mistakes.
She only did so after the media came crashing down on her after reports about her wrongdoings surfaced. When she applied for the pageant, she never declared that she was previously convicted, and that is blatant dishonesty. I really don’t see the “courage” in that.
What we have here is a shamed national icon who should face the consequences of dishonesty.
Honestly, I couldn’t give two hoots whether she can pronounce “prints” or not.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion in regards to whether she’s pretty enough, she speaks well enough, she’s educated enough, she’s politically correct enough, what-not.
Thing is, we’re talking about crime and punishment here.
It’s not just about a 19 year old entering a beauty pageant anymore. The issue is larger at hand.
And I don’t see the point in dragging the PAP into this lol.
Big deal about ST’s labeling hoohah too.
Well. So if what you’re saying is true, if ST came clean about this, and owned up to their folly, their “courage” should be applauded and hence you’ll give them a hive5 and a “you go girl!”? Well done bro.
sgcynic
October 1st, 2009 at 5:31 am
In my earlier post, I contrasted the actions of the protagonists ( a beauty queen and a Member of Parliament). Both appear to be lacking in honesty and integrity. In any individual and all professions, integrity is THE foundation for trust and respect. Some people find it more important to critic the lack of honesty in a beauty queen than in an MP. Lol
sgcynic
October 1st, 2009 at 5:42 am
Oh, why drag a PAP MP into this issue? Well, I’m not sure why the MP Lee Bee Wah who previously avoided the media like a plague during her contoversy would wade into the fray over this issue. Ironic that she would pass comments on another’s honesty and integrity while previously her own was in doubt, no? Seems like a case of pot calling the kettle black, yes?
Domino
October 1st, 2009 at 7:41 am
Hi Claire
When you go to a job interview and are asked why you resign from your previous job. Will you please, please be so honest to say its because you could not take the work load and hated the boss! By the way, in case you do not know, me & my friends belong to the ‘dishonest’ kind to get the job, we always say we resign to seek more challenge, the work load was not enough. Guess what? We almost always got our next job!
If Ris Low came clean before the pageant, she would not even have been there. She took the risk, she won it and lost it. Simple!
Lastly consider this, if a man to be approved and appointed by his people to be their leader honestly told them that he was a collaborator who betrayed his own countrymen, would he stand a high chance of becoming their leader?
Claire
October 1st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
As I mentioned before, I’m not talking about trivial issues such as “hating the work load”. I’m talking about Crime and Punishment.
When you apply for a new job, I am sure that you are required to declare your criminal record, no?
I strongly advocate employers to hire an individual based on his or her credentials, and not her past. Ex-convict or not, everybody deserves an equal chance to gain a spot at the competition or to acquire a job position.
Thing is, do you not consider declaring your criminal record in a competition necessary?
Unlike a job interview, the reasons for leaving one job for another is based on personal insight and perception.
This, on the other hand, is based on the failure to provide compulsory and necessary details.
I’m not saying that Ris Low didn’t try her best to get as far as she could to get ahead in the competition, neither am I saying that she is an ex-convict thus she has no right to enter the competition.
I believe everyone deserves an equal chance, but ultimately, it is up to the organizers to decide what they consider eligible, or not.
Afterall, the organizers are the judges. Whatever we as individuals think do not matter at all.
What I’m trying to get across is that it is incorrect to go against contest rules and regulations. This promotes cheating, dishonesty and compromises the integrity of the competition.
In regards to the Lee Bee Wah incident, I share your sentiments exactly. It was rather disappointing and disgraceful to see a politician behave in such a manner. And yes, it was ironic, and rather funny at that, reading at her comments, considering how silly they were.
However, there is no instance of a criminal injustice she has been involved in.
I know this sounds very disjointed, but my point encircles the theme of Crime and Punishment.
Whatever that comes after, such as “getting ahead of the game”/”risk taking” are opinions. Which I respect, and even agree with at times.
Domino you said, “If Ris Low came clean before the pageant, she would not even have been there. She took the risk, she won it and lost it. Simple!”
If you translate it to another scenario, say, a robber getting caught.
“If XXX came clean to the police, he wouldn’t have been able to go scot-free for 3 months! He hid, and eventually got caught. Simple!”
Does this mean it is okay to rob?
Does this mean it is okay to lie?
I fail to see the logic in that.
Again, I mean logic with basis, not just opinions.
“Lastly consider this, if a man to be approved and appointed by his people to be their leader honestly told them that he was a collaborator who betrayed his own countrymen, would he stand a high chance of becoming their leader?”
Well, you are absolutely right, the answer is no.
That’s why I believe that a non-corrupt system is important, and that we should always be pushing for politicians with integrity that can rule our nation.
You can call me naive and idealistic.
Again, this is just my opinion.
An argument could be that “politics is always dirty, that’s why it’s called politics” or “look at our onepartystate that’s built on dishonesty etc”.
I do consider these opinions very insightful with some truth.
However, going back to the theme of Crime and Punishment, based on laws and facts, it fails to make relevant linkage.
astar hamster
October 5th, 2009 at 11:10 am
“I know a lot of people who are much older than her who can probably even speak and write better but who have also screwed up big time but they don’t even have anything near the courage to admit one toenail of what this girl is prepared to come to terms with; she has all the makings of a winner”
Thank you Sir! How true you are of so many things. Thank you once again.
h0ng
October 5th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
To me, this competition for representation of beauty of Singapore has become a cat fight seeing how it evolved.
Fredric Fanthome
October 5th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I think subsequent events have more than shown that Miss Low is a far less palatable individual than initially portrayed by her supporters. Whereas earlier I was more perplexed by ERM Marketing’s actions than hers, I now find her behaviour vis-à-vis Claire Lee (first runner up) vindictive, petty, and ugly. “An eye for an eye” indeed! Certainly not the kind of magnanimity one would expect from a “courageous”, “winning” personality. In fact she comes across more like a sore loser who clearly tried to get away with her fraud and who’s far more peeved that she was found out than ashamed she committed the crime in the first place.
Courageous? FAR from it!
Her recording of her phone conversation with Claire Lee reminded me of Linda Tripp taping Monica Lewinsky’s conversations regarding her trysts with Clinton. Based on what I know about that whole affair, Linda Tripp appeared to be an attention grabbing, pathetic apology of a human being.
Facing the music when you have nowhere to run does not take courage. What else can you do anyway? Do we call all our convicted criminals courageous for going to jail when they are sentenced?
Courage is when you put yourself at risk for someone else when you really don’t have to. Courage is what Muelmar Magallanes had. The 18 year old (younger than Miss Low, btw), who saved 30 people from drowning in his neighbourhood in Manila during the floods from Typhoon Ketsana. The boy was exhausted from swimming into the floodwaters again and again to save people, and was utterly worn out, shivering and close to collapse, but when he heard a mother scream as she and her 6 month old baby were being washed away, he dived in yet again, got to them, managed to get them to safety but was so completely exhausted by this final effort that he did not have the energy even to hold on himself.
And so, after saving 30 other souls, he could not save himself. He was washed away by the waters and his lifeless body was found when the floods receded.
THAT is courage.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/philippine-man-loses-own-life-after-saving-dozens-from-floods-20090928-g8o4.html
@Darkness
I said right up front that I personally don’t consider pageants anything more than base entertainment and I don’t think their winners should be considered “national representatives” or role models. But since the organizers of such events like to portray themselves and the winners as such, my point was that they should have taken action when their “national representative” (not mine!) was found to be so tainted. I personally don’t expect anything of pageant winners. In fact Ris Low is the kind of person I would expect to find in a pageant – not my idea of a role model at all. But since the organizers and participants set these high expectations, I think they should live up to them. That was my point – the hypocrisy on their part – not my disappointment about my expectations.
The practice of judging others is universal, is practiced by all humans in all interactions with others and is frankly critical to all relationship/interaction decisions made by all humans. It is so intrinsic to humans that you can no more say you don’t have the right to judge as you can say you don’t have the right to breathe. It cannot be legislated. People judge others and themselves all the time and form “tribes” of like-minded individuals that include some and exclude others. Snobbery is only another form of this tribal behaviour. Basically in this case, if you use intellectual snobbery as an example, a group of people considers someone else an outsider because the outsider doesn’t qualify to be a member of their circle in this case, perhaps because they don’t consider the outsider intelligent enough. Well there are so many types of tribes – from football club fans to Mensa members. And then there are those who would be snobbish towards the snobs for being too snobbish. In fact in most schools in the USA and UK, the smartest individuals in class – the academic toppers – are often ostracized as bookworms. Snobbery is not a preserve of the intelligentsia alone.
Race and religion as tribes are in a class of their own mainly due to the fact that disputes along these fault lines raise the risk of unthinking mob violence on a scale that is seriously disruptive to society. I don’t think you will ever have a case of intellectual snobs going on a violent emotional rampage against non-intellectual snobs. It is, therefore, not in the same category of tribal behaviour.
And you cannot outlaw all tribal behaviour – it’s part of the human psyche. I therefore disagree with you on your conclusion regarding snobbery as the same as racism. The basis is tribal behaviour, but the extent and risk of violence from the former is of a completely different order of magnitude compared to the latter.
With regard to your piece on what I assume is some online video game business – I must confess I have no idea what you are talking about, but it’s clearly not something addressed to me, so I will leave it at that.
@rodolfo
I have already said what I think about her “courage”. And she’s given up the crown. But I agree with you that the organizers should have acted a lot sooner. That was the point of my original post.
@great wall journal, everdie, obeserver 2
I really don’t know what you are talking about – I assume it’s between you and Darkness – I would ask, though, that if you are on this blog, you keep your posts relevant to the topic at hand – just as Darkness has done – if there are too many unintelligible (to others) and irrelevant (to the topic at hand) posts they would detract from the thread, and I will strongly consider deleting them.
@sgcynic
Interesting that you can drag the PAP into even this. Clearly I am far less partisan than you are, and I hope the readers can see this.
On Lee Bee Wah, I think her statement on the Ris Low is very unremarkable.
On the subject of Liu Godong, I felt very strongly that the STTA, especially Lee Bee Wah treated him very shabbily indeed and while I was not blogging at the time, I made my thoughts known, for what it was worth, to those I felt might have some influence on the matter. However that is a different subject altogether and all the parties involved have long since moved on. I don’t see any point in digging it up again. I don’t know if it was a matter of honesty and integrity though – certainly not quite in the same category as hiding a criminal conviction.
I definitely do not buy your argument on why you dragged a PAP MP into this. As far as I can see it seems an opportunistic attempt to be partisan on a completely unrelated topic. However, whatever floats your boat.
@Claire
I think our comments are very well written indeed, and you make a number of relevant points. Thanks for joining the conversation!
I agree with most of what you say, except that I certainly do not respect Miss Low in the least, and I cannot call what she did gutsy at all.
@Domino
If you lie about a criminal conviction (or omit it) in a job application, and your employer finds out about it, you are most likely going to be fired instantly and have a legal case slapped on you for good measure (depending on your job). It’s a completely different thing compared to euphemising the reason why you left your last job, as long as it was not due to criminal activities. Do not equate the two.
And a man was a collaborator who betrayed his countrymen, should absolutely NOT be elected their leader to start with. Same with Miss Low. I don’t see how you can justify her lying (or this hypothetical leader lying) so that she (or he) can get the job s/he covets. My precise point was that the organizers should have seen to it that she had not won in the first place if it was part of their rules that convicted criminals not take part.
I would echo a lot of what Claire has written. She answered most of your statements point by point very clearly.
@h0ng
I agree. I think it shows the kind of people that compete on “beauty”.
Claire
October 5th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Thank you! And thank you for sharing about Muelmar Magallanes. I think I’m done following up to the Ris Low saga.
After the phone-tapping incident, I’m pretty much convinced that these ridiculous conspiracy theories have gone as low as they can get, and she has received way more attention than she deserves.
We should learn from selfless individuals such as Muelmar Magallanes as you have mentioned, who practise real courage, and stop putting self-righteous people on high pedestals.
sgcynic
October 5th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
“Interesting that you can drag the PAP into even this. Clearly I am far less partisan than you are, and I hope the readers can see this.”
I did not declare that I am non-partisan and I don’t pretend to be so. I AM clear headed on social-political issues and support policies which are right regardless of the party that crafted them. However, I believe that increasing numbers of citizens are finding it increasingly hard to agree with the policies and actions of the PAP. The coming elections would tell if this is true. I look forward to the goodies though.
“On the subject of Liu Godong, … all the parties involved have long since moved on.”
Indeed? If Liu were to come back to Singapore as promised, I suppose Lee would again be “indisposed”. She MUST be hoping that Liu has moved on. I suppose Liu would have no choice but to move on as he certainly does not have time to play hide-and-seek with Lee.
“I don’t see any point in digging it up again. I don’t know if it was a matter of honesty and integrity though – certainly not quite in the same category as hiding a criminal conviction.” I stated that I wouldn’t have brought it up if Lee had not commented on Ris Low’s honesty and integrity, given her own are still in doubt. I certainly agree that making potential defamatory remarks is certainly not quite in the same category as hiding a criminal conviction. A politician who stands in Parliament must be expected to uphold higher standards that a beauty queen, no?
“As far as I can see it seems an opportunistic attempt to be partisan on a completely unrelated topic.” Perhaps, if Lee Bee Wah commented on someone else besides Ris Low and I post my comments in this post, that would be an unrelated topic.
I leave you to float your boat.
mr miyagi
October 6th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Fredric Fanthome, you wrote the practice of judging others is “universal,” and is practiced by all humans in all interactions with others and is frankly critical to all relationship/interaction decisions made by all humans.
You also wrote, it is so “intrinsic” to humans that you can no more say you don’t have the right to judge as you can say you don’t have the right to breathe.
Then how does this differ from what Darkness 2009 said?
From what I have read about what you have written as a reply, “universal” and “intrinsic” could just as well apply to hate speech, faith crimes or for that matter any form of “ism.” So why is snobbery so special that it should somehow appear immune from those influences?
the naked truth
October 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
What makes the brotherhood so dangerous is they tell the truth. For years. They have held steadfastly to the truth. Even if the cost is high, Darkness and his gang have shared with us all the truth. That is why people believe them.
For example if they decide to abandon this site and to give it to a bunch of inexperienced bloggers. They will describe it as such. But what did Teo ser luck do?
Tell me, how many people do you imagine actually believe Teo ser luck? What if I said to you, if you poll it less that 2% of the people in the internet actually believe his lame excuse?
Patrick Lee
October 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Only a couple of words described Ris Low.
Dishonest, liar and a disgrace to the good girls of Singapore.
When a wrong is done and total SEVEN fraud credit cards,
there is no denying the obvious.
Many of us who make a mistake, have no moral courage to admit the wrongdoings and will forever live with the conscience.
The Ming Yi saga and his assistant is another case in point.
Now proven guilty in court and wasting taxpayers money for
the court case.
Ris Low, you are still young. Your days are long. Hope you can be awakened and lead a clean life from now onwards.
A lesson in life journey. Stay pure and honest.
Darkness
October 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I’ve be real honest with all of you; I actually believe, the world will be a happier and better place if people were less trusting.
I am serious. Bc if you look around, most of the problems in life arise as result of misplaced trust – people trust banks that have been standing in the corner for over a hundred years. Guess what? They go boom & bust. They trust, expert opinion. They sign on the dotted line; they lose their life savings! They trust the financial system will be able to sort things out. It doesnt and instead melts like a candle. I can go on and on till the sun sets to give you all endless examples of how “trust” is really closer to perdition than salvation – u dont have to be a mensa member to figure out; trust has to be the world’s lousiest way to make gainful progress or to even try to lead a purpose driven life – its a dead end!
A better way would be to cultivate the discipline to trust ONLY the facts – and I suspect one reason why most people skip that step is bc it requires them to get off their arse and do some real homework in the way of questioning and using their brain – infact, coming to think of it, people should regularly mistrust what they read, hear and see.
Think about it; if you’re less trusting then what invariably happens is the people who u r supposed to trust have to be on their toes all the time; they cant afford to be complacent or doing stuff that they arent mandated to do, bc they know you dont trust them; so at any point in time; there’s always going to be some smart Alec who is will test the system 24/7 and in that way; you will end up with a tacit checks and balances that can only strengthen the system thus guaranteeing better results for everyone.
No you have to be crazy to trust us; I dont even trust myself – like I said, I only trust the facts; so you have to be either lazy or very stupid – I am sorry that’s really as good as it gets and I am just very honest abt it.
Darkness 2009
Yujuan
October 8th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Actually I have some sympathy for Ms. Low, until she badmouthed the contestest Claire Lee. This shows her character is shallow, the news of her conviction could have
leaked out by her former work colleagues, other people’s
card holders she had cheated, the credit card companies, etc.
The constant press interviews she is still conducting shows
her constant craving for attention,pissing people off.
This is nothing that concerns politics. Although I do not have a good impression of that Bee Wah MP, she is right this time-
a fraud is a fraud, so Ris should just keep quiet and let this saga blow over. Constant harping may affect her probation status, and reflects her more badly on her character. Just move on in life.
oppenheimer
October 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
‘A better way would be to cultivate the discipline to trust ONLY the facts – and I suspect one reason why most people skip that step is bc it requires them to get off their arse and do some real homework in the way of questioning and using their brain – infact, coming to think of it, people should regularly mistrust what they read, hear and see.’
Easier said than done DArkness. You yourself, if I am not mistaken once wrote in icered.com. A man can only do all this when he starts and runs his own business, as once he steps out from the safety of the salary man cocoon will he know the true nature of how to comfortably manage and thrive in risk.
If you look at Ris Low it is not that she is stupid. She simply does not know what risk are worth taking and whats not? If she really knew how to do all this Darkness, dont be surprised if she could still cheat and come across as beautiful and very intelligent.
Darkness
October 8th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
oppenheimer October 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
LOL Ris Low reminds me one of those incredibly well engineered German tanks – she can take a lot of hits and still keep moving; so these are definitely admirable qualities that will hold her in good stead. In my experience people like that will succeed in anything they put their mind too. I wish her the best.
As for your risk taking comment – yes, I still maintain the best way to learn about this is to run your own business. But you’re really taking what I once said in ice red out of context – as you seem to paint it; as if it’s a matter of choice. If memory serves I was very specific and clear i.e starting your own business is NOT a matter of choice, it’s a really closer to NECESSITY.
If you’re in mid twenties reading this; don’t think you have a lot of time; you don’t – because if you think about it; the moment you join the work force; you already a mini corporation in yr own right whether you know it or not i.e you r the product – long before you start your business enterprise proper people are already forming judgments about your skill sets, leadership, business acumen, cognitive skills, EQ etc – in this regard what Fredric said about people judging other people is very true.
Like I said, time is not on your side; as by the time you have learnt all the ropes; you’re probably somewhere around 30-35; so from 35 to 40 is really the hunting period when you establish your own style of managing yourself and others, that’s really the only time when you can tell the whole world – “hey, this is who I am! This is what I can do with my spear!”
But also bear in mind from 40 onwards you’re already in dangerous waters. Why? Because by then you’re probably drawing a salary of 20 to 25K, company car + stock options etc / that also means you have already in the very high maintenance bracket so you’re prime cut for the axe (retrenchment) – I don’t doubt you may escape the block if the business climate is bullish – the problem is with the boom and bust business cycle getting shorter these days – its really a case of Russian roulette – if you don’t believe me, take a list of fortune 500 companies ten years ago and compare it to what’s in the NYSE and NASDAQ today – the first thing that hits you like a freight train is half of them have gone the way of the dinosaur; as for the other half, they are barely alive held together by superglue and duct tape – that’s reality. so when people talk about life time employment; they really dont know what they r talking about – there is no such thing these days.
So please don’t talk as if the idea of starting your own business is a matter of choice –my point is in this day and age, IT IS NOT! The system will force you jump off the ledge whether you r ready or not – you can even say it’s inevitable. Like I said, if you’re in your mid twenties reading this and you’re still under the happy illusion that you can work till the day you retire – you better wake up and start digging an escape tunnel.
This may not be a page turner; but I assure you, it can very well be a life changer.
Darkness 2009
dbs lifer
October 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Hi
Starting your own business is not that easy Darkness. I happen to know a manager in his 40’s, used to be my line manager, who got retrenched as you said, there was no warning, one day he went to work HR handed him a card board box and he was out the same day. That was one year ago and he is driving a taxi today. The same goes for a A Star scholar who hails from China.
What I am trying to say is this are really intelligent people. And if they cannot do it. I dont think I can either, as I just have a diploma in Banking.
To start your own business you would probably need above average intelligence and good connections. How many people do you figure have those things.
It sounds simple but I dont think the execution part is so simple Darkness.
Darkness
October 9th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Look here I was under the impression this was a place to have an intelligent conversation – now some of you are insulting my intelligence and my brain is hurting again – I don’t know what to say; but if this happens one more time, I am going to pack my bags and take off – are we clear?
Let me connect the dots for your benefit! You need to be mindful: contrary to what you said; this has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with attitude – if you happen to be a $3,000 a month ISD officer; a diploma holder or even a ITE graduate bear this in mind – laminate it and even carry it in your wallet – even Li Kah Shin can’t write his name in English! So we r all equal under the sun.
Get one thing out of your mind – there is no such thing as special intelligence – thats a myth – not even the Kennedy’s have that – unless you can convince me dying young or flying into the sea is some exceptional inheritable skill! So do yourself a favor, throw that out of your brain!
Let’s not complicate your already complicated life -starting a business is really ONLY about one thing – creating value where none previously existed.
So when things begin to shift; who do you think will the first to see opportunity?
Will it be the man who is so complacent and flabby that he believes the world will just keep on belting out the good times like a gushing oil tap and spends his time perusing through luxury car brochures and deciding what leather upholstery goes best with his favorite tie; or the one who thinks he is in a rat cage and thinks of nothing else all day except breaking out?
You decide. If Philip Yeo just understood this one simple reality – Singapore will be even stronger than the US! I kid you not – All our problems will disappear very quickly!
Darkness 2009
Omega
October 9th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Darkness, I am your fan now because I share the same thoughts and sentiments. What is your background or where do you do your studies (if any)? I am guessing someone who can think like that is probably trained overseas and/or lived overseas somewhere in the West.
Darkness
October 9th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
I did my studies in UK majoring in eng – but ppl sabo me, so I had to do shift work and study at the same time – then I did a masters of science in advance manufacturing know-which to me was basically a glorified applied mathematics course – then when i was working did a phd in advance manufacturing science. I felt that if ppl had to call me dr, I would go very far in life – but that didnt change anything – I am being very honest abt it man.
You look at fraternity of the brotherhood – and it is well known, you can ask anyone in the gaming world, I am the lowest of the low – but that never stopped me. Never.
Darkness 2009
Darkness 2009
worldofwarcraft
October 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
“What is your background or where do you do your studies (if any)?”
That certainly put a cork in it. Who cares abt his academic record. All we know is Darkness was the two time recepient of the best player in Asia award for Spycraft. A game of cerebral fitness. He actually won it twice in a row.
worldofwarcraft
October 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
No asian has every done that. Never.
sgcynic
October 16th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Straits Times 16 Oct 2009
CASE CLOSED
STTA and ex-coach move on after awards controversy
Hmm… some people do seem to have the insider news… and can foretell events as they would happen. Someone can sleep in peace for now. LOL
Darkness
October 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Omega
October 15th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Did you know that Gandhi, Mandela, Galileo, Martin Luther King, Thoreau, Cromwell etc all have one thing in common – they’re all jail birds.
I think it’s very hard to go against the grain here; as history seems to bear this point out with remarkable candor; doing time may even be good for the soul and I suspect people 7 planet.
For all you know; that could very well be the defining difference between a politician and a statesman.
Darkness 2009
Omega
October 16th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Darkness
Pardon my ignorance, I did not know about your prowess until I read ‘worldofwarcraft’ postings. I did not ask about your background or educational history for the sake of it, least of all, to rate you. I am NOT one who cares much about paper qualification because I find that the more I am educated, the more I need to know. If anything, Univ has taught me how little I know even after finishing it.
The reason I ask is I am very interested in the cognitive ability, thinking and creativity of people and where or how they are being shaped. BTW Omega 3 does help but many people do not know that in its pure form (fresh fish), it is most effective in the first year of a baby’s life when the brain is still forming. Luckily in the UK, the fish with the most of this stuff (oiliest), are the cheapest and tastiest fish. They are Mackeral and Herring.
I like what you posted about the jail birds. Together with my earlier post, they support my point on character assasination or promotion by the media. Yes, going by the rule, Ris Low should be stripped of her title but thats about it really. It is just too simplistic to conclude that Ris Low should have been honest, or come clean with her criminal records bla bla. Do people really think that successful businesses or tycoons and billionaires are all clean and proper? Well they are until they are discovered!
Omega
October 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Darkness
I forgot to mention that I am very impressed by your winning of the award although not too surprised. If any surprise, it is how accurate my thoughts of you are. And saying I am not too bothered about paper qualification is NOT the same as saying I am not impressed by yours. You seem to have gone through obstacles (interesting that you were sabotaged) and to achieve what you did in the UK is very, very impressive. I never dare entertain the thought of doing a PHD!
Darkness
October 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Omega
October 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Spycraft? Yes, I can understand why when I walk into a room full of gamers all of them stand up. (could be my aftershave; that could explain why I wasnt very popular with the girls in uni)
I wish I could be happy about it. But in truth, that has to be a catastrophic success.
You see it is very simple actually: to win the first time in Spycraft; the probability is 1/3,000,000; but to repeat it the second time its somewhere in the upper reaches of 1/55,000,000!
In allegorical terms; that’s a bit like a tornado whipping through a junkyard and magically assembling a 747.
So as repulsive as the idea may be; one really has to entertain the theoratical possibility whether I cheated?
I did! It’s very simple; one day I decided to list out a few algorithms that made the elements of the game – it’s really like pulling a thread on a woolen jumper and watching it all unravel; what you need to understand is every game (without exception) is based on a mathematical equation, could be probability, heuristics or even game theory; but its not so different from how the cogs, springs and fly wheels in a watch combine together to produce the minutes, seconds and hours that align themselves perfectly to mirror our understanding of time.
By the end of 3 months; I had amassed all the equations of the game and you could even say; it was hard if impossible not to win.
But I want to be brutally frank with you: I cheated.
I tried to explain this to everyone; but for some curious reason; no one believed me – to exacerbate matters my attempts to share with them how I cheated even came across as contrite and was often perceived as humility; not even the developers of the game wanted to hear about it – everyone for some odd reason seemed more interested to know how I out played this person and that; or how I walked into a blind alley and managed to disappear into thin air etc.
I remember, I felt quite depressed and after a while I just settled into a state of terminal silence and even retired – but strangely that didn’t diminish the allure; much to my horror, it merely heightened the mystery; sharpening the edges of the lacunae and I suspect it even fueled the myth making machine and is it such a wonder; they all even gave their fascination and enigma a name….Darkness.
You have to forgive me; it was all very strange to me – I just thought I was playing a game.
Darkness 2009
sgcynic
October 17th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Ooops…
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/10/17/liu-guodong-denies-reaching-an-amicable-solution-with-stta/
Credit Card Fraud Punishment
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am
[...] “Miss Singapore” and Credit Card Fraud [...]
veronicatan
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Darkness (insert year)
You should seriously reform yourself and try to avoid living an evil life, where you are constantly tempted by all sorts of worldly temptations and vices that will only lead you astray.
Remember, we, the internet fed you. We all played together and you owe us all to be good.
Dont forget your roots. And be good.
Darkness
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
My friend,
You must mindful – you see it is like this; most people don’t play the game; if they did, it would be quite impossible to lose. I dare say, it wouldn’t be much of a game either.
Let me put it another way; what if I said to you; the vast majority of humans don’t play the game as much as the game plays them?
Otherwise how do you explain why gamblers, online gamers, stock brokers and millions of ordinary folk fork out good money to chase after mirages?
Think about it.
Is it such a wonder they lose in the stock market; they end up betting on the wrong horse; they put all their chips on the wrong number – it’s tragic….sad…a waste.
But true nonetheless. But why?
Because in figurative terms; that’s a function of what can only and must happen when you don’t fully understand what you are getting into – given enough time; at some point; the tables will turn and the hunter will become the hunted.
It’s best if one remains mindful of this always. Better still, if you can step outside your own skin and don’t ever believe everything you see, hear and read. After all what makes you so certain what you see, hear and read is not some contrived reality designed to lead you into a false sense of security?
I don’t doubt; it may make it easier for you to compile your weekly reports; or to allow you sit back and bask under the balm of quiet assurance that you may already know what’s actually going on beneath your feet.
But then again; like any good game; what makes you so sure the game isn’t already playing you to the hilt? And if that’s the case even you would have to consider the theoretical possibility whether you’re winning or losing.
Yes, one should always be mindful. Don’t you think so?
Only, if I told you the stakes; your life may change forever…I dont know whether I have a right to do that without your permission Omega.
Are you game?
Darkness 2009
Darkness
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 am
Did I tell you, I once met an imminent economist online who once chided me for living a life of dissipation – he would often retort, “It’s not real Darkness.” “It’s only a game Darkness…for kiddies” and so on and so forth.
To cut a long story short; one day I sent him some data about a certain online economy concerning Norrath; we were playing chess, so it was a conversation piece; initially I sensed his enthusiasm bordered on what I can only politely describe as lackadaisical – but it didn’t take him very long before something must have piqued his interest.
May sound hared; but one day; he exclaimed with great fanfare, that he had actually worked out empirically – the virtual economy of Norrath in cumulative gross tradable net asset terms was equal to the GDP of the 22th economy in the world – Greece.
Imagine my surprise.
After that day for some odd reason, I found myself trying to convince him: “it only a game for kiddies…it’s not real.”
What do you think is the moral of the story?
Darkness 2009
nkl
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Omega. You may not realise this, but you are playing with fire. Maybe if you wish to ask questions of an intrusive and personal nature, you should first brush up on your netiquette and ask your superiors whether this is first acceptable behavior online? Pls go and ask them bfr you land in hot soup.
darkness. Let me guess what the moral of the story is. Could it be as you said the hunter can very well be the hunted. I agree. This last year, we have seen tables turn like never before. Both temasek and GIC has seen a substantial lost in revenue. But I still believe no risk, no gain. Besides the global financial meltdown was hardly forseeable. Its not only us that is suffering. Even China feels the heat as well.
My question to you is direct. I am not interested in playing games like Omega.
Do you think we can emerge stronger out of this? Or is the game still playing us? No games darkness.
thx
nkl2
October 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am
darkness. lets forget omega. He does not even deserve one minute of our time. Who does he think he really is by making veil threats?
I want to turn our attention to the pressing economic times that is fast posing a challenge to all of us. As you know the guilds are worried. As you know rumours have been circulating. So many of the boyars the merchants feel very unsettled when they see trade and commerce diminish day by day.
Day in and out. We read the recession is over, but yet trade seems to languish. This year alone we have seen our market share in the Apec gaming sector shrink as much as 40%. Gross transaction of ERO has gone down by 30-55% in some cases such as the gulf trade routes, it has ceased completely. To cap it off the Japanese and Taiwanese are eating into our market. It goes on and on. We are facing attacks from all fronts
We need a new direction. darkness you should be careful what you post here. As many of the guilds have been silently visiting this site and reading many of your comments. They are nervous and dont know what you are planning. Maybe it is time to sit down and talk?
Omega
October 24th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Darkness
You have neither complicated my ’simple’ life nor disabled nor fashioned me. I have enough trouble to turn my world upside down. Its all to do with 75mm of inaccuracy and its wrecking my nerves and giving me sleepless nights! If only I had thought of it, if only I had looked at the damn thing, if only I had bothered, its always highsight but at least I regretted it, some don’t. Perfection complicates my life and disables me but is it not right to crave perfection?
“Till then, he was nothing more than a monkey trained to pick coconuts…” Yeah, the master may argue its better than a dog’s life! It might be more accurate to say ‘conditioned’ rather than ‘trained’ but lest you forget, new generation monkeys have a choice of masters and are not conditioned by peanuts. The table is soon to be turned or will be turned, don’t forget the masters are also conditioned – by the coconuts.
Darkness, is it fair to say you are Dr Seuss ‘Cat in the hat’, entertaining Sally & I, almost exposing the mess?
NKL,
Keywords are all I need there are too many in veronicatan’s post alone. Nuff said!
Omega
October 24th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Darkness
Mine is a world of sunshine and fresh air. Anything wrong with that? Do you get it in planet Cyber?
Again, I am wrecked today by being outdone by an 11 yr old in the maths problem below but a game of real tennis in the sunshine & fresh air has cured me.
A professor met his old colleague and told him he has 3 children. When asked how old are they, he said their age product is 36, and their sum adds up to the old house number that they used to play chess in Oxford. The colleague said he needed more info to which the prof said “The oldest is good in drawing”. Ah yes, he got it.
At least I can say I live in the real world!
observer
October 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Omega walks into the lions den with a chair and he complains that he doesnt have a chance to sit down.
“At least I can say I live in the real world!”
What r u trying to say Omega? That we all dont live in the real world? That we dont pay our taxes or have a lesser form of life?
Darkness was to kind to you. The only redeeming point is it demonstrates very clearly to all of us, you are out of touch and have no idea what you are ranting about.
boingboing
October 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Boss,
maybe we should send a rep to hear what the guilds have to say, for lookey see sake if nothing else?
nkl2
October 26th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Omega.Things look very bad for you and your outfit. Let me share with you why? At some point your bosses are going to ask why are you people so inept and useless? Why cant you even execute a simple infiltration technique and if you cant even do that, what kind of half baked internet covert outfit are you? How are you going to interdict, protect, forewarn etc You are useless!
Let me walk you step by step so that you know where exactly you went so wrong.
Kindly scroll up to your first few entries which you addressed to darkness. You made a few critical mistakes there. Firstly, you asked intrusive questions before establishing the vital basis of trust, that is a booo booo.
Secondly, you relied solely on the power of flattery. That is to say, you were just lazy and looking for a way to short cut your way. A triple booo booo.
Thirdly, when you did one and two, you underestimate your opponent, very bad booo booo.
You should have done your homework on his back ground like edu, tax returns etc. This info you could have easily filtered. You did not even bother to go through the basic few steps. You disregarded the standard operational procedure!
So what does that show? Sloppy, complacent and definitely useless.
And what did Darkness do all the time? Scroll up, he just paid out rope and all the while giving you a false sense of security and building up your confidence and when you were too far to run back, he suddenly blew off both your knee caps in front of everyone leaving you to crawl back to your new position.
And what was your new position Omega? You subsequently changed not only your tone, style and method of presenting your thoughts, you became an entirely different person. That is the biggest booo booo. You can change, but when you change so radically, people will ask, how can that happen. Go on read your entries and here you got snagged again, as the change was so radical that it leads many to further question your sincerity.
And just when you thought things could not get worse. You come up with a lame tag line, “I live in the real world and you dont darkness. so I am better than you.” And what did he do, he upped the ante. Yes, he doubled or nothing you and even dragged out Teo Ser Luck into the picture and challenges you.
If I were you Omega, I will get the webmaster here to erase this whole thread. Because this looks very bad on you and your colleagues. It really looks bad. Very bad
i
October 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
maybe omega u should just take a long break from blogging for all our sakes? after all have you considered, what if they really decided to make your world come true in the virtual world? What if they made possilbe what you said, “least I can say I live in the real world!” And cancelled all their virtual trading routes, post and clearing houses in singapore. or even worse transfer it lock stock and barrel to Malaysia (did you realise they have done that bfr in china?), how would we even be able to continue trading online omega? Tell me does our govt even know how to set up these virtual trade routes? I believe it took them some 10 to 15 years to painfully build up those linkages and networks. I believe when our gahmen did nothing but claim the internet was nothing more than a black hole and had nothing to offer but lies. They said, “this is the great hope and here we shall plant our flag” and they invested their best minds in studying the internet. Tell me did our gahmen even bother to build core competencies in this area? Did we? Could you please answer me? If they did, then we wouldnt need them.
What if they did that omega? What if they stopped all transactions for only 24 hours just to prove a point?
sony playstationier
October 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Phew! Was that close or what?
sony playstationier
October 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
It will take them more than 5 years to figure out whats going on. And even if you give them 5 years on top of that, they will still be plenty more to figure out.
Besides do any of you really want to fly the star and crescent online? What protection can it offer you in the wild west. What guarantees does it offer? kosong, no one cares about them in the gaming world, they are nobody.
I am certainly not a great fan of Darkness & Co, as wherever they go, they seem to just like to do strip mining whether you give them permission or not.
But if I fly their flag on any of my cargo, no one even dares to rob or hijack me. Not even happened so much as once. All those bandits do is take one look make teeth sucking sounds and leave me alone. Thats always good for business.
They will be here for a long time.
Timothy Tang
October 30th, 2009 at 2:20 am
I was so busy recently and only just got to learn about Ris Low last week but I’m so glad things steeeeeel turned out the way I expected them to, while I was away.
I was directed here and boy was I boomzzz off at what I saw! I was thinking, “did the old P65 got hacked”? I had to check and re-check the site’s address to make sure this was the real p65 blog—you know the one that used to have so many small cute pictures of MPs. But look at it now. smlj shingzzz
I just want to say to you Fredric(who are you btw? Intro?) and the rest—focusing on scapegoats of society is no longer fashionable anymore. Working the problem from the spiritual level is the new black. Dare to advocate hate on a member of Singapore society? You want me to tie the yellow ribbon round your face? Guess I have to get my hands dirty again shingzzz!
Give you some wisdom from Deepak Chopra anyway.
http://www.razor.tv/site/servlet/segment/main/lifestyle/37180.html