It's where we talk
I read a news report about a debate on whether or not the PAP has caused Singaporeans to be apathetic. The report was about a Young PAP dialogue session where a Mr Alex Tan had blamed the PAP for the apathy of Singapore’s youth today. Parliamentary Secretary Sam Tan disagreed with Mr Tan’s view saying that “it has nothing to do with the system” but more with individual choices. Several other MPs who were there at the talk went on to give examples of robust debate in Parliament amongst PAP MPs and so on.
I wholeheartedly disagree with PS Sam Tan on this matter. Did the PAP have any role to play in the apathy of Singapore youth? Of course it did! How could it not have, when it has been the ruling party for decades? Politics afterall is the engineering of a society. A party with a majority in power in government would have undoubtedly “engineered” society to a large extent, therefore resulting in the “product” that it has in the form of its society. This is of course not something unique to the PAP but what political parties do in general.
Of course I am not going on absolutes and extremes. Of course in every society there are exceptions and political factors are not the be all and end all in society. The PAP did not do everything (even if some of us think they do). Cultural factors, family practices, upbringing and individual characteristics would definitely play a part in shaping a person’s mindset and views on the world. They would of course have an impact on the choices we make. But one cannot deny the role that politics play in shaping a society. Being a country that was largely built on Confucianist values and rule-by-law approach, we have all been shaped by the values that the PAP had set out for us from the time of independence.
Having been a student and teacher before in Singapore, and currently being a graduate student in America, I can see the vast differences there are between the typical classroom scenario in Singapore and that in the USA. In my undergrad days in Singapore, I was not outspoken myself even though I had views. Then again, I don’t recall there being very fierce and robust debates amongst my other classmates either. For me, I must admit that I was a late bloomer in this aspect and had gradually become more comfortable in raising my opinions through the years. Regardless of what some of you may think about the media in Singapore, my career in journalism did help me greatly in this aspect.
As a teacher in Singapore, I found it hard to get robust debates going in class. It has happened and when it did boy, they were good ones but by and large, and I think this is representative of the general situation in classrooms in Singapore, students are happy to sit back and not express their views very much. It was something that my colleagues and I tried to change through different teaching methods and such. There were results, but with a different engineering of society, perhaps the results could be different.
Now, as a student in the US, I can see how different it is. At every lecture, regardless of what time of the day it is, hands shoot up to ask questions or to offer comments. My experience may not be representative of all American schools for I am afterall in graduate school…but still…it is different from what I would expect in a university in Singapore. The Americans are largely encouraged to speak up and sometimes this appears to be a “speak before you think” model which may not always result in the smartest of comments – but still with many more questions and comments coming, the potential for good debates are higher than in a class where only one or two hands are up.
In Singapore the general reasons people give for not wanting to speak up is the fear of being chided (or being sued, or thrown into jail etc) or the lack of knowledge about the world/the region/politics. Of course, one can also be sued for saying libelous things elsewhere including the US but the climate of fear among some quarters in Singapore are blanket ones for anything that is in disagreement with the government, even when comments are non-libelous. This perhaps has to do with the public reports on lawsuits between government leaders and several political activists over the years. With regard to the second point on not knowing much – I find that many American students in my class have had overseas experience through gap-year programs or through serving in the Peace Corps. They may not be representative of Americans in general but still, such programs which have brought them to countries in the Middle East, Asia, Latin America and Africa have opened up their minds in a way that staying in the confines of one’s own country cannot do.
Then again, thankfully, things are changing in Singapore. Perhaps not at the speed some of us want but the government realizes that the strategies used in ruling society two generations ago have to make way to accommodate a more educated, outspoken and opinionated citizenry. The Internet has given the process of opening up discussions in Singapore a great shove. It is interesting seeing how “lively” online debates are and there are some good quality debates on some sites. But it is also unfortunate that online debates by and large have not reached a desirable level of maturity as there is often a lot of name-calling, mud-slinging, and comments made not on fact or substance but purely based on frustrations. This can be disconcerting at times but it is in a sense to be expected as we are after all new to openly expressing ourselves (what more, for some, under the cloak of anonymity). It is a “nouveau” experience and with time perhaps we can develop higher quality debates online as people feel more comfortable with expressing their views and can do so with greater engagement and responsibility.
Barring comments that are rude, racist, vulgar, malicious or defamatory, I think we all need to start developing a greater level of tolerance for criticisms. This of course, includes the higher-ups in the government. There is no need to instruct bloggers to pull down an article just because it was critical about what some higher up said – doing so will only invite more criticisms and will fuel more frustration amongst Singaporeans. Some of these comments are quite valid and part of being a more inclusive society includes accepting that others may have views that are valid (or maybe even better), even if they are expressed rather cheekily.
Then again, this does not mean an “all systems go” approach in terms of freedom of speech and action. Lest one is deluded into thinking that freedom in all senses of the word is the panacea for all of our problems, look around us and you will see that that in itself is not the answer to a better society. There have to be controls – heck, where I am now in Massachusetts, the laws on alcohol are so much stricter than the ones in Singapore so even the US is not as “free” as we imagine it to be.
But allowing greater space for engagement, and developing a higher level of tolerance for criticisms and feedback will help Singapore “engineer” a better society, and hopefully, a less apathetic one at that.
P.S: I didn’t intend to write a post as I am in the midst of exams….but procrastination is indeed very tempting. Hence, I succumbed this time. I may be slow in responding to comments, though, but then again this is not a two-way dialogue, so perhaps there can be a good, engaging and responsible debate here amongst readers and bloggers alike.
*Off to my books!*
visvis
December 13th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Why should citizen pay top salaries to people who lost in the past few Election that the Party keeps that person.Should’t they leave the post. without a Sit.
twasher
December 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I can confirm the author’s observations about students in Singapore. No, it’s not just because he’s in graduate school. I’ve taken both graduate and undergraduate classes in America, and in all of them the students were much more willing to speak up compared to those in a graduate class in NUS. I also had the same frustrating experience from the student’s end in Singapore’s public schools, where it was near impossible to get anyone engaged in discussion. Even General Paper classes were reduced to monologues from the teacher, because no one wanted to express any opinions!
anak mudah
December 13th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Hi Kharty,
Long time no see. Some in PAP may need a paradigm shift. Remember the famous name and shame prog, what did that really accomplish?
And when I say PAP needs a paradigm shift, this also applies to their proxies sites other than P65 as well.
As no matter how seamlessly these proxy sites such as wayang party (I am confused, now it is temasek review, next strait times?) desire us to believe they are the real thing by giving interviews to the journalist.sg and what not, we all already know they are just one more ikan merah. The cat is out of the bag.
Kharty, If you have doubts as to how widespread the tactic of fear or whatever you call it, or of undermining one character, name and shame along with so many other tactics commonly used then just take a look at this.
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/11/13/geoffrey-pereira-continues-to-launch-another-tirade-against-temasek-review-on-his-blog/comment-page-2/
see the entry at the bottom @ on Sun, 15th Nov 2009 1:38 am
When one of the cyber troopers were pushed to the edged (deliberately I suspect), till he tak boleh tahan, then usual when they (and they can mean you know who) they will reach for the hammer.
I copied it to all my friends and they were so shocked as many of them subscribe to this guys love e-novels online. They were livid, how to build trust? Fikir?
In that case it didnt work, it just backfired (it was deliberate I think), now I hear all the comments there are self generated by the cyber troopers themselves.
Apathy is not the right word. The right word or phrase is “I dont want to play your game.” This is especially so with those who may not be scared away so easily.
Kharty, I only know one thing my datuk told in Jasin Melaka / Kejujuran mesti in utama kan, dont ever take short cuts or cut down a man just to win, he will come after you again and again.
Thanks for this piece and sorry for the long entry. Just glad to see you again
Singapore Short Stories
December 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I believe a majority of Singaporeans are not really apathetic politically. They do and want to get involved in making our country a better place for all to live in. This is manifested in the rise of blogs and websites where Singaporeans, in particular, the younger ones give their opinions and viewpoints on the issues of facing Singapore. It really boils down to how involved individuals want to be.
Zizie
December 13th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
somehow i think the trouble is not apathy. it’s about the fear of speaking up. which of course, stems from our past history of people getting into trouble for speaking up.
where do we draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable speech? this is where many get confused, and thus get discouraged from speaking up, in my opinion. they have ideas, comments, queries etc, but they feel it would be safer to simply shut up.
i would just like to add that SMU encourages SMUggers to speak up. class participation being a grading component might even be a forcing factor for us to speak up. after having gone through my first sem of this pedagogy, i found myself more confident and unafraid to speak up. i think all universities (and even the junior colleges, secondary schools and the sorts) should practice that.
there’s only so much that an individual can do, when being curbed by the system. thus, no matter how much it boils down to how ‘involved individuals want to be’, i still agree with khartini that the government definitely still had a part to play.
what about tweaking our education system, for starters?
lucifer scholar
December 13th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Fear is the key word. As one commentator here accurately highlighted the name and shame episode sums up the prevailing mentality, dont think people will forget. I know the internet is fickle, but you will be surprise with links etc, it has a memory better than an elephant.
I happen to be one of those at the receiving end of this fear, nearly. I can assure you, it is was a scary experience. I really sweated bullets. As my life was just beginning. For a while I even felt like a pariah. And did thing much about myself of self worth.
One day when I was very depressed just browsing a forum for jobs and someone sent me a mail, it said “drink me,” it was a bottle icon. I clicked on it and at first I saw a group, they were in twilight, there were many of them, it was in a online game, I will never forget the what happened after, their leader stepped forward and embraced me, then he said, “do not worry about (I cannot mention this swear word), they do not even know a masterpiece if it was standing in their living room. What is important is now!” Then he said “we have been waiting for you.” After that I never feared again. It no longer has any hold on me. Today I work in a leading animation house in the US. Today I dont hate Philip Yeo. Believe it or not, I genuinely pity him and his sort. I have forgiven, but I shall never forget. Never.
I dont want to give away the house, as I dont want to get this group who once came to me at my lowest point as I dont want to get them into trouble, but this group begins with B. I hope they keep throwing out more, that way they will get stronger. Lets face it our gahmen has a twisted idea of value look at the price the temasek bought citi?
Singapore Girl Next Door
December 13th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Hi Khartini,
Let me take back the words I used to describe you in another blog entry. Your latest entry affirms that I was wrong to judge you as a mere shadow of the PAP of the ‘65. Some of your words echo frustrations of the current day Singaporean, and with a sense of deja vu, no matter how it pales in comparison, it resonated how the PAP of the ‘65 once upon a time connected with the people. And I’ve always throught that this blog is one of the many platforms for which the PAP can once again found what it lost.
As your fellow countryman (or woman), I hope your belief becomes the will of our next generation of leaders as they transition from one that lives too much in the successes of the past (and claiming it to be their own)…to a one that remembers that the true sense of governance is to serve, not the Party, but the people.
We are listening but please lend us your ears as well.
…..
What do I aspire for?
Let me start by saying – I believe in the collective voice, that majority is not a number, but the common good.
So my aspiration is for each and every Singaporean to be empowered. Not just the educated, the elite, the Chinese, the majority.
To be empowered means having the right tools to expand ones political efficacy that allows one be a participant in nation building.
This endows oneself with a sense of self-determination which leads to a greater sense of responsibility and duty.
It starts by allowing an individual to have a voice, and the platform for which to deliver them. In a democracy, it starts with representation.
And representation is to represent the collective view of the represented – their opinion, ideas, and beliefs.
For if we seek a better future for ourselves, we must adhere to the principle that no man holds monopoly to the right answers and best ideas.
Answers may come from all sources, including those that may have opposing views.
Unfortunately, the concept that we may have opposing views and can still be colleagues and friends is still alien and unacceptable to the PAP.
They are unwaivering and cruel in their belief that an opposing voice is a call to the very destruction of Singapore.
Like in the dark ages, they accuse disbelievers of heresy, and burn them at the stake.
“Political Exclusivity” what I come to know is the very hallmark of the PAP, and for them to be inclusive is synonymous with a death march.
And this is the very stumbling block which prevents each and every Singaporean to be empowered.
To the question why the Singapore youth is apathetic, let me proudly tell you with indignation that we are not.
Our voice were merely censored, our will deterred, our actions deemed illegal, our mentors bankrupted, and the most vocal among us placed behind bars.
For short, we were prohinited by default to be empowered. Instead, we were told to follow rules, pass tests, meet criterias, exceed benchmarks and sing praises if we are to be given any chance to contribute to this nation.
Which is why to the question of whether PAP has caused the youth to be apathetic, in the classroom that is Singapore, I shall firmly raise my hand, and without permission from the proctor, say unequivocally that PAP has everything to do with it.
The most basic of freedoms are suppressed, and such oppression is fiercely implemeneted not only in our media, but also in our educational system.
PLEASE DO NOT INSULT US BY TELLING US THAT IT IS NOT. Both scholar and hawker vendor know exactly what I mean.
Upto this very moment, Singapore is one of the countries which does not recognize the international declaration of human rights.
For the PAP, human rights taken as a whole are not universsal, and are nothing but cultural relativism and hurdles to economic progress.
The exact treatment our government had over human rights is that they are nit-picked, filtered, and selectively implemented based on what is transient and convenient.
The rule of law, for it to be by law, must be JUST, and for it to be JUST, it must be by the representatives of the people.
What we have in Singapore are not JUST laws for they were put it place arbitrarily to benefit the ruling elite…and silence the collective voice.
So what do I aspire for?
What I aspire are the basics of basics….for people to be represented. For someone in parliament so stand up and speak on behalf of the people.
To exact change in our laws to make them JUST so that they benefit the people.
Not someone who merely nominated himself, and scared the shit out of anyone else who want to do the same.
What I aspire for is to finally vote over a real choice.
What we have instead are people such as the PAP and yourself who believe that those with opposing views to the PAP are false choices which lead to Singapore’s destruction, and thefore, every action to eliminate that choice is justified.
When will PAP ever respect that that choice is for the electorate to make?
I aspire to see one day that Singaporeans who are eligeable to vote….actually gets to vote.
Throughout Singapore’s history, less than 22% of Singaporeans ever really voted over a real choice.
In the next GE, let’s aspire to change that.
Regards,
SGND
Singapore Girl Next Door
December 13th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
To those who dismiss online grievances by Singaporeans,
Whatever you call them, like or dislike them, they are but pent-up grievances that finally found an outlet.
If they err with disrespect, it is only because for so long tthey were denied avenues for which to air their views.
It is undesirable, but so is the continued march to silence those with opposing views.
It is with a deep sense of ambivalence that we are encouraged to question except those that question authority.
We are encouraged to think, but only which that has been endorsed.
We are encouraged to be creative, but do not create which is unorthodox.
It is so repressive to the point that the school paper editor was reprimanded for interviewing an opposition leader.
A memorandum was distributed in the school of fine arts prohibiting students from making controversial films.
The class president was accused of illegal assembly after organizing a viewing of a movie containing a critique of Singapore’s political history. They were political science students. The movie was made by a student as part of a thesis. It was seized by the authorities for not having the necessary license, and for failing to meet guidelines.
A debate team was prohibited from participating in an international competition because two of the members are openly gay, and were instructed to refrain from commenting on Singapore’s civil laws if such a topic where to be debated. This instruction was not strictly followed once, which caused them to be prohibited from participating in the international competition.
A lawyer was arrested for attending an international forum which heavily criticized Singapore’s civil laws. He did nothing but listen, but was accused of not proactively defending Singapore in the said forum.
A student was arrested for distributing copies of a contraversial white paper which attacks Singapore’s socio-economic policies.
A school forum was disbanded after the speaker became critical of Singapore’s support for Myanmar.
A section of the school entrance was closed when a group of people near the entrance started disseminating pamphlets from an opposition party.
Class discussion on Singapore’s political environment is discouraged by the dean.
An assembly in the school premise to gather signatories to support more freedom for local media was disbanded, and was instructed to do so in the Speaker’s corner.
I was arrested for holding a poster in front of the CPF building.
It changed me forever.
Singapore Girl Next Door
December 13th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
…..so if we are accused of “name calling”, and “being disrespectful”, I think it pays homage to our sense of civility as compared to those who deem it necessary to put cuffs to young people who did nothing but exercise their right to conscience.
Undesirable as it maybe, it is a reflection of how torn a nation we have become. Anguish from a people that will forever remain anonymous. It is a silent movement without a leader. Not a word of mention in the mainstream, and nothing but a whimper in a lonely comments page.
Yet it strikes so much fear that a military admiral was sent to deal with us.
50 Reasons to vote PAP Out
December 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
1. I want to buy a house without paying a Cash-Over-Value of $100,000
2. I don’t want to be accused of being fussy if I don’t want to live on the first floor or basement bomb shelter, or ulu ulu places like Kusu Island
3. I don’t want keep hearing that flats are “affordable” when I really cannot afford flats.
4. I don’t want to see foreigners flood our condos, HDB estates, MRT trains, buses, schools, EVERYWHERE
5. I don’t want to know about how ministers are getting lots of landed and prime property both local and overseas when I have trouble getting a 3-room flat.
6. I don’t want ministers who get multi-million dollar salaries when I do odd jobs and some months I don’t make more than $2,000.
Ministers in other countries may take bribes and embezzle. My ministers are smarter, they get more money claiming more MILLIONS in salary LEGALLY.
7. I don’t want to pay ERP just because foreigners’ cars are clogging my roads. Especially, when ERP do not solve congestion problems!!! We still have terrible traffic jams!
8. I don’t want to do NS and reservist to protect my country against foreign invaders when:
(A) I don’t have a house to protect
(B) I cannot afford to start a family to protect
(C) I have to protect foreigners and their property with my life when they run away during war.
(D) Foreigner PRs do not have to serve
(E) I get paid worse than a Bangala worker. To think that National Service needed people donation’s in 1967, after a year, it gathered S$ 3 million from Singaporeans when we were all so poor.
9. I do not want to see PRs and New citizens flashing their blue and pink ICs on their national days.
10. I do not want to see the shamelessness of importing foreign athletes and claims that Singapore won when a foreigner won. Oh yes, we pay these foreigners millions of dollars so that Singapore can claim that it won. WOW!
11. I do not want to hear jeering against the SG local soccer teams from foreigner spectators when we play against other countries IN OUR OWN COUNTRY!
12. I don’t want to pay 7% more for everything I buy in my whole life when the government gives my $200 in “compensation” handouts!
13. I want to see a local student being the top student. Not some China kid. Not hearing from ours kids that there is no point to work hard as some foreigner is going to squeeze them down inevitably.
14. When there is public curiosity, I expect my government (especially Law minister) to be transparent enough let us know about Temasek and HDB cost to build a flat, etc.
15. I want my country to be known as a COUNTRY. My country is NOT just a city like some idiot claims.
16. I don’t want LHL’s son to be the next succeeding prime minister.
17. I don’t like how China suckered us in the Suzhou park initiative and we still have to kiss their assess.
18. I cannot understand why local siblings cannot buy flats when foreigner PR siblings can buy flats.
19. Singles are not allowed to buy flats before 35? Are singles supposed to be forced into marriage just because of this? By the time singles reach 35, the flat prices will be higher by $100,000 to $300,000. These singles worked very hard to scrimp and save only to see savings ERODED away by inflation!
20. I do not want to read the paper when it is pro-PAP and there is major censorship and selective publishing and late publishing for what cannot be hidden.
21. I don’t want my life-savings to be belittled as the salt on the “peanuts”.
22. I don’t like it when my country’s reserves lost tens of billions of dollars and the PM’s wife can still head Temasek!
23. I want important national assets key to our security like power stations to BELONG to our country, not sold to foreigners.
24. I like to add hum to my mee siam by the way.
25. I want a president who actually DOES more. Not one which who I seek shakes hands, seldom speaks, does not even pardon and spare a 19-year-old kid his life. Not a president who kids confuse with Mas Selamat (Many kids who know Mas Selamat do not EVEN know Nathan)
26. I don’t want to have my next national day parade at the silly riverside place….AGAIN! How long does it take to make a stadium? We are a country but we don’t even have a national stadium?? How about loaning Malaysia’s Merdeka Stadium for Singapore’s National day?
27. I want job security. A contract for 1 or 2 years, Then look for work again. The cycle repeats. We have to worry for our jobs and livelihoods on a daily basis. When we are over 40 years old, who want us anymore? I might as well join the army as sign on. But wait, that is contract TOO!
28. I don’t want the next generation to suffer like me in university. I had to work part-time to support my uni fees in NUS, while foreign students get free uni education thanks to MOE PLUS $500 allowance every month. After that, NUS still has the cheek to call me up and ask me to donate to NUS. Why they need money? They lost hundreds of millions of endowment in the financial crisis. I can still remember working and saving for 3 months before I could afford a 2nd hand laptop.
29. I want to protest in the streets to voice my discontent without being put to jail by the ISA act or made bankrupt. For goodness sake, I don’t even dare to accept Singtel’s offer of giving me free 6 months internet if I switch from Starhub to Singtel, because I am scared that my IP address and my name will be blacklisted by the government. (considering Singtel’s afflictions with the govt)
30. I want an opposition party in power. Any opposition is welcome. As educated and smart as my current and soon-to-be-ex ministers may be, I want people who CARE and LISTEN. Even if it is a guy who had graduated from kindergarten would be welcomed if he cares.
31. Elites who have been born with a silver spoon, who never had trouble finding a job, who never had money difficulties, who never went hungry, who breezed through NS, do NOT deserve my respect nor should they be in the government. We need people who UNDERSTAND what it is like at the pits and bottom! Not some shortie who claims to understand hardship with a childhood living in 3-room flat but marries an angmoh and lives in a landed mansion.
32. I want a better electoral system! I don’t want WALK-OVERs again. Some of the seniors did not even get to vote ONCE in their whole lives. How is that democracy?
33. I want fairness. Is it a coincidence that certain estates under certain members of our government are especially well-cared for with upgrading etc incentives? Is this fair? Are residents of areas under the opposition similarly cared for? I quote a resident from Potong Pasir “the lifts here are so old and I can’t climb the flight of stairs to reach my place anymore.” I supposed the 60 year old aunty would be forced to vote for PAP to get new lifts.
34. I want a limit to the number of years the PM can hold office, so that as bad and as lousy as the PM is, we can at least have a chance to start afresh.
35. I want small quotas/ratios legislated for foreigners.
36. I want foreigners to be restricted to less than 20% of our population instead of 36%.
37. Horsie actually said that foreigner PRs were under-represented in HDB flats. Pah! No more than 2 flats in a block should be sold to PRs! Otherwise, how can the many old uncles and aunties have pocket money for retirement by renting out flats?
38. I want their CPF contribution percent to be much higher and that their CPF to be forfeited if they leave SG.
39. I want higher income taxes and property taxes for foreigners.
40. I want NS for foreigners.
41. Foreigners who bought HDB flats cannot be allowed to rent their flat out EVER!
42. I want the SGD to be moderated downwards! A higher SGD may benefit those who can afford to holiday overseas, those who are rich enough to send kids to overseas for studies, or PRs and foreigners when they remit money home. BUT overly high SGD deters investments into Singapore.
43. I want curbs on inflation. To that effect, we need to install restrictions on property speculation, raise reserve ratios in banks, and have more stringent criteria before loans are issued. AND OF COURSE, GST lower back to 3%
44. When foreign talent enters my country. I want these people to be REALLY foreign talent. I don’t want my country’s pink IC and PR to be handed out like toilet paper.
45. I want more heavily subsidized birth-delivery, child-care, pediatric health and education care to boost local numbers. If S.Korea can do it, why not us? The practice of replacement diminishing local numbers with foreigner number MUST STOP.
46. Instead of always saying Singapore does not have enough talent, will the government spend more money and effort in education and grooming the young? Every time they say that there is not enough of certain type of people, the government will import these people in masses and hordes.
47. I expect government-affiliated institutions to not indulge themselves with luxuries when other citizens have bread-butter problems:
When NTUC income unilaterally announced major cuts in its bonus for insurance-policy-holders, the MAS allowed this to happen. NTUC income claimed financial woes, but took HUNDREDS of agents to Australia for an exorbitant expense-paid holiday as they made the announcement earlier this year!!! Do they think about the widows and orphans when they dine fine with wine???
At first I could not believe NTUC Income to be capable of this, then I checked on the web and saw the NTUC CEO hugging 2 BIKINI girls and drinking champagne in Australia too.
(i) http://ms-my.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1550459&id=36541001838&ref=mf
(ii) (ii)http://ms-my.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1549575&id=36541001838&ref=mf
48. I expect the MAS to protect citizens financially too:
When thousands of investors lost their life savings in the mini-bond fiasco, where was the government?? Unlike the Hong Kong government which had exerted pressure on its local banks to compensate a minimum sum to its minibond holders, the Singapore authorities chose to stay out of the matter….. MM Lee Kuan Yew even chided Singapore investors for “walking in with their eyes open” and therefore did not deserve a compensation. (quote from Temasek Review 1st Dec)
49. I have 1 more issue with the state Media Press. HOW can they publish photos of people suspected of crimes when they have not EVEN been convicted?? Imagine the tarnishing to the poor suspect’s reputation if he were innocent! It is not as if the guy can sue ST and get $400,000 in defamation compensation.
50. Anyone can give the 50th reason??????????????? Come on my fellow locals. If I can say so much, you can at least say something! Few thousand people viewing this article and so little comments???
Rodolfo
December 14th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
When the PAP gives its views on things, it sometimes sounds logical and it sometimes sounds absurd. Political apathy is a personal choice to some extent only. I would say the PAP had a big part to play in making some people politically apathetic.
After all these years, we are still stuck in a largely paternalistic environment. When we Singaporeans air our views, it is important that the govt responds. At one time the govt said that it doesn’t have the resources to respond to all views. While that may be true, it must be (at the very least) be seen to making some effort. Because if no effort is made to entertain the peoples’ views, many would not bother.
Rodolfo
December 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
At times I wonder whether these PAP people are living on the same planet as us ordinary folk.
I will never forget the rationale given for increasing pay of senior civil servants and ministers. I would be the first to support paying them high salaries. But it was very disturbing to hear senior politicians talk about how they create so much GDP for the country and that their salary cost is only a X% of that GDP. It just makes them sound like a bunch of salesmen.
And then there was some talk about how some fund managers make so much more money than local politicians. And that if they make so much, it is acceptable to pay them a cut of that money. Well now it seems a lot of those fund managers have turned out to be gambling with their employers’ family silver and at times have turned out to be folks who are far less than truthful about many things. It is so disturbing to see senior politicians benchmark themselves against such unsavoury characters.
PAP Inside Information Exclusive
December 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I found this information from the YPAP website on what actually transpired.This information is unedited and not the distorted truth that you read in the Mainstream Press.
An Attendee – Depolitisation of Peoples’ Association |2009-12-11 21:22:52
I am doing so anonymously as I fear repurcussions from my branch and grassroots.This substantiates a point raised by a YPAP member on the fear of discussing politics in school.
Another YPAP member was bold enough to ask about the independence of the Elections Department or the presence of an Independent Elections Commission.The fact is 1/3 who voted for opposition are not represented in parliament proportionally as there are only 2 seats in parliament.
When MP Sam Tan said that the Elections Department was independent, he was rebutted by members of the floor who said that it comes under the PMO office.I have checked and verified and it does come under the PMO’s office.
Is there a reason why the Elections Department is not independent?Does this give an advantage to the PAP at every polls?Has it always been like that?
I am perplexed also by the redrawing of boundaries raised by the audience.
Also, the YPAP asked why that Opposition Members are not appointed as Grassroots Advisers at their respective communities since they have won the elections legitimately.This is a very fair question.
Both MPs Sam Tan and Chris De Souza did not answer the question.There was no mention of the depolitisation of Grassroots.
Why was an important question not answered?Did the YPAP member get answers after the session?What is the reason?
I think that the PAP should be gracious and practise what it preaches and leave politics outside of PA and Grassroots.This could probably win back the hearts of Singaporeans.
Opposition are Singaporeans as well and they should be given their space.They care for Singapore as well.The PAP should remember that.
From my understanding of the forum, Singapore Youth are apathetic.They are not allowed to take part in politics.Their views were quickly dismissed by the 2 MPs.Are our leaders living in denial?
There was one young man who voiced his opinion on One party Rule,National Policies,Foreign Talent,etc.Which were valid and which I understand now…
Zizie
December 15th, 2009 at 2:28 am
Singapore, I believe, does not practise the Proportional Representation system when it comes to voting, i think we’re more single-member-district, thus the gap between 1/3-votes and 2-seats-representation. Both systems would have their advantages and disadvantages in theory. note, theory. i wouldn’t wna make a stand on which might be better for Singapore, or per se in my opinion because i’ve not yet experienced the PR system. yet the amount of walkovers every election, i must say and agree, is quite … disappointing.
i agree with point 46 btw. there’s a good post by leon toh on the sports scene in singapore, maybe ‘50 Reasons’, you’d wna check it out and expand the discussion there..?
anw, to ‘PAP inside information exclusive’, i was just wondering whether you attended the said forum? i did. the reason it was not answered was because it was running late, the question was out-of-topic and many other people wanted to ask questions pertaining to the topic at hand, which was “How Youths Can Serve Singapore.” Both Mr Tan and Mr Chris was willing to answer the question after the session however, as they both acknowledged that it was an important question. did the asker get his answers? well then only the asker can answer that, and then shed light on this issue for the rest of us.
however, after attending that forum, I must admit that I’m no longer sure whether our leaders are in touch with what is happening in reality. have our government become too idealistic..? ‘living in denial’ maybe, as suggested by ‘Inside Information’?
i also agree that we need someone who KNOWS what it’s like to save every penny just for ERP, or transport costs, 7% GST, etc; what it’s like to live like a ‘commoner’ so to speak, in the government. i have this nagging feeling that the ruling party might have been rather elitist, and this bothers me a lot. note, feeling.
polo
December 15th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
It is not apathy. It is fear. Just look at the recent ddos nonsense that was faked by temasek review? What was the effect? All of them just relocated their servers via Malaysia instead of Singapore, everything goes underground, they dont even post in blogs, they post only on threads in abandoned sites, they dont even want to invest one cent into SG, they will develop nothing here and it goes on and onif fear that can all these things to gamers, just think what it can do in the political scene?
Temasek Review is dead wrong no one is going to forget about this for a very long time, once the trust is broken, it cannot be rebuild again.
Khartini Khalid
December 19th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Hi everyone!
Thanks for your comments, which are mostly insightful. I might not be able to address everything (also, as said before, this is not just for me to engage you but also for readers to engage each other, and there has been some of that here, which is great)
@twasher: I too have observed such a thing. There are exceptions though and some do speak up but more of that would be great.
@anak mudah – I did read a couple of posts on TR about the DDOS thing but did not follow every single update on it. I have no idea when we met before (cos I don’t know your identity thru your nickname) but it’s good to know that you’re visiting this page!
@Zizie: Great to know that you are speaking up more in your classes at SMU. The “system” (which can be the govt/school/class environment) can certainly help to facilitate people opening up to speak but if there was some kind of a culture that’s being inculcated from young to think independently and speak responsibly, it would come more easily even w/o much from the immediate environment. Keep on speaking up!
@Singapore Girl Next Door: Thanks for your comments. No hard feelings. For me, there are times when I agree with what the govt has done/said and there are times when I disagree. To me that’s what thinking independently means. This is something I hope netizens will understand too. Thinking independently does not have to mean only criticizing the status quo/the govt. It may mean agreeing when we think certain things are right. Or disagreeing when we think things are not quite right. Right now on some other sites (and some other posts here too) whenever something remotely positive is said, all kinds of labels are being hurled. It’s somewhat unfair tho I understand the frustration some have + the comfort of anonymity that the Internet offers.
You are very passionate about Singapore and that is good. I hope you’ll channel your passion and hopes for the good of the country (though what’s ‘good’ for the country may be subjected to different interpretations) and keep engaging society responsibly – online and offline.
@50 Reasons to Vote PAP out – Wow. You certainly have a loooong list. Saw this on another website too. But if I may, I would like to quote JF Kennedy – this quote was recently raised by reader PeterL “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”. If your country were to give you a list of 50 things to do, would you reciprocate?
@ To everyone else who posted here: In one of my classes, a professor said something that got me thinking and I hope can get you guys thinking too. He said that nationalist feelings are usually stronger when things have seriously gone wrong. I suppose looking at Singapore all this while, the fact that our people can be considered somewhat apathetic (again this does not apply to everyone and it’s all a matter of relativity) or not stirred to act can also be because things have been relatively good so far. If we’re citizens of Pakistan for example, there would be very little chance of being apathetic due to the political turmoil happening over many years. I know some people will say “don’t compare us to Pakistan, we’re 1st world etc” but to those who say this – its not an automatic thing to be 1st world. It was something that was worked on, not by chance. While we desire for change, we should also step back and look at what we have now and make sure that the change we want would not forsake the good things that we have.
Anyway hope you guys are having a good break. It’s winter here and the temperature goes down below sub zero. Yesterday it was -12 deg celsius and the nasty wind made it feel like -20 degrees! Enjoy whatever sunshine that you have in Singapore. Happy Holidays to all, Merry Xmas and Happy 2010. Cheers!
SingaShadow
December 21st, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Singaporeans and apathy. I think it’s a reflection of our history. A history of how the founding political party led the type of people who made up the nation from times of instability to where we are today. The apathy that we see today, I think, is a result of the combination of the culture of the population, style of governance, and geopolitical setting (which largely influences the social and economic policies that will work for us.)
So, of course, the PAP has everything to do with the issue. But whether supplanting the PAP resolves the problem is questionable. I believe in the long run, we need to instill a culture of inquiring mindset, critical thought, and civilized dialogue.
On one hand, having a greater liberty of expression is probably a necessary condition (although not sufficient). On the other hand, the PAP fears that an unready society falls into disorder once the flood gate is open.
So if what you really want is more freedom, then show the government you are ready. Don’t blame them for continuing to be a state nanny if we continue to show that we need to be “governed”.
Khartini Khalid
December 23rd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I’m reading this book which provides an interesting insight on how Singapore history is being packaged and presented in a way that serves several purposes. “Constructing Singapore” by Michael Barr & Zlatko Skrbis. Just at chapter 3 but interesting read so far. Check it out if you’re interested
visvis
December 26th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Best friend unable to stop woman from taking own life Channel NewsAsia – Thursday, December 24Send IM Story Print
Best friend unable to stop woman from taking own life
SINGAPORE: She was the dead woman’s best friend, and the pair were so close that they were each other’s guarantors when they borrowed money together from loan sharks.
But Ms Koong Fong May, 45, did little to stop Madam Wee Chiok, 67, from setting herself ablaze in a West Coast Park public toilet on February 6 this year.
The coffee shop assistant told investigating officer Senior Staff Sergeant (SSSGT) Steve Tan that she felt that she could not change Madam Wee’s mind and accepted her decision to die.
The younger woman said she was “lost and confused” when Madam Wee told her to wait outside the toilet, shortly before she self—immolated.
The court heard that the deceased had expressed her desire to commit suicide to her friend several times after being pestered by loan sharks.
Ms Wong had also lamented that none of her seven children had provided her with any financial assistance to get her out of her predicament.
SSGT Tan told State Coroner Victor Yeo, who recorded a verdict of suicide in the case, that a search on Madam Wee’s mobile phone revealed that she had taken some loans from illegal moneylenders.
While the total amount owed is unknown, Ms Koong said she was aware that the deceased had borrowed $1,500 from loansharks last year.
On the day of her death, Madam Wee had suggested that they go for a walk at West Coast Park. They arrived there at around 7.50pm.
The pair then decided to go to the toilet and entered separate cubicles.
Some time later, on smelling petrol fumes coming from Madam Wee’s cubicle, Ms Koong decided to check on her friend.
Madam Wee opened the cubicle door, removed two bangles from her left wrist and told Ms Koong to hand the jewellery to “Ah Lin”, who is believed to be Ms Wee’s daughter.
The deceased also instructed Ms Koong to ask “Ah Lin” to come to the toilet to collect her body before telling her to wait outside.
Ms Koong complied and only shouted for help when she saw her friend on fire.
— CNA/sc
what can the Govt do to help all this poor people n weak ones ????
visvis
December 26th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Now is not just goodies bags food but also $$$ to help to clear debts as most MPs salaries are way too high n this is just a small island .Do we need so many MPS to manage this island ?? or a Big unseen $$$$$$$ being taking away our citizen saving …..
visvis
December 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
why i not seen opposition ward have that problem ? burning ownself ? are the ruling party or MP doing their rounds ? helping the common citizen or only their pockets ??
Khartini Khalid
December 27th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
@visvis: I will leave you to have your own monologue since what you are saying has no relevance to what I wrote or what the other readers have written. Happy Holidays.
gotong royong
December 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Khartini. Big fish will always eat small fish. I caught this one, it didnt surprise me.
“This is an auto-bot message issued from the council of the wise of the brotherhood – a communique of regret concerning the DDOS and Darkness 2009 episode.
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/12/25/temasek-review-continues-to-thrash-state-media-on-google-news-in-terms-of-readership/
Doberman code / broadcasted to all known channels / EP 9937843884 OP
Looks like it there are sending it off everywhere.
Khartini Khalid
December 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Thanks, gotongroyong for sharing that. It will be interesting to check out their newly revamped website.
Happy holidays, and have a good 2010 ahead to all readers.
Singapore Girl Next Door
January 6th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/illegal-to-distribute-flyers-critical-of-government-policies/
Is there a way in Singapore to criticize the government without being imprisoned?
The flyers argued that some policies are not beneficial to Singaporeans, and amendments are necessary.
They were not accused of defamation.
They are not accused of illegal assembly.
This time, they are accused of “oppostion to the actions of the Government” under the new Miscellaneous Offenses Act.
LONER
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 am
PAP…..hmmm i think, the government is always one tracked. It is quite obvious that any human being would want luxury in their lives. Hence they claim to cut corruption, is to pay the ministers higher salaries.
Well actually i think the reasoning is preety stupid because no one questions the government if money is the drive, when all the talk in the papers is about what can we do for Singapore??
I mean come on, if i was in power i would dictate as well. We all do when we get the position even in companies and organisations we work for. It is inherrently in us. Some of us just want to show and get it all, and they will go to all extend to tell the world and publicise that they did it for the country. Conjure all limelight to convey the message accross to the world that , hello i made Singapore and i am also a dictator, so please do not interfere in our domestic affairs. Sounds familliar doesnt it. Well democracy can burn in hell, its always a rat race. So face the truth, make what we have cut your losses and look elsewhere for greener pastures.
Bernard Leong
February 4th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Hhahah welcome to America ! That’s how I became more outspoken on issues by being pulled to debate with my American Professors, roommates, classmates and fellow international students. Geez , And I learnt something. Only debate or fight with worthy opponents. just ain’t worth it to debate or fight with trival people or small matters.
Before this, I frequently fought with pple over trivial matters. took away a lot of my time and energy. I learned my lesson.
Khartini, I consider you to be the closest independent-minded socio-political observer-commentator. keep it up. cheers !
Bernard Leong
PAP and Gerrymandering
February 4th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Hi Bernad Leong.You are the same guy who asks people to migrate and leave the country if they don’t agree with PAP right?
Why do you think Singaporeans should leave Singapore if they do not believe that the PAP is not the party it once was?
Your fellow PAP member a certain Sear used a slur on people who do not see the PAP way.It was immediately deleted as it was very offencesive.You have yaya papayas like Eric How and Fredric Phantome as YPAPmembers as well.
Your head honcho proudly proclaimed that there are 1000 new members.Are they the new breed of little Lee Kuan Yews? A generation of new opportunists?
Head Honcho Teo even went on to say that having pretty gals is a plus.Does this remind you of the Calvin Cheng Mr ‘I am Curious Episode and I will join Teck Ghee’?
PAP may have quantity but sorry to say that it has no more quality.You just have to sit in or watch parliament or visit MPS.
PR disaster after disaster.Can’t wait for the next one.
Wait for the storm that is going to happen on the business dealings at the People’s Association and all the Ward Branches in the next couple of weeks where more will be revealed.
Singaporean
February 9th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
I have woken up from this “apathy”.
My first act after this awakening will be to vote for the Opposition in the next GE.
Khartini Khalid
February 10th, 2010 at 6:43 am
I think there is a big difference between apathy and blind faith. Merely voting for the opposition doesn’t necessarily mean one has “woken up from apathy”. It could mean that one is doing so in blind faith IF one has not carefully evaluated the merits of the party that one is voting for.
PAP and Gerrymandering
February 11th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I think there is a big difference between apathy and blind faith. Merely voting for the PAP doesn’t necessarily mean one has “woken up from apathy”. It could mean that one is doing so in blind faith IF one has not carefully evaluated the merits of the party that one is voting for.
Khartini, are you implying like MM that opposition voters are ‘daft’?
Khartini Khalid
February 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Please do not put words into my mouth.
PAP and Gerrymandering
February 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Why did you join the PAP? What are your views on Gerrymandering?
Simplicity
February 11th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Khartini
If one party lets you down time & again, do you keep hanging on? Why?
If someone had never cared and now cares and wants a change in the political scene, s/he does not think the present team is able to deliver, s/he gives the alternative a shot, why is that considered apathetic or blind faith? To some, it is a case of no option as they feel the current team is detrimental to their life.
Simplicity
February 11th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Khartini
Do you keep sticking to the same salesman who cheats your money and are rude to you? If you then turn to another salesman who you think is worth a try, is that blind faith and care less attitude?
Khartini Khalid
February 12th, 2010 at 1:15 am
I’m not against the idea of having opposition parties. But it would be good if the opposition could put forward some viable alternatives and not just oppose for opposing sake or engage in mere rhetoric. All I am saying is merely voting for an opposition (any opposition) without careful evaluation doesn’t indicate having “woken up from apathy” just like not-caring about what the PAP is doing is also the same thing (read my article above lah, don’t just attack me based on piecemeal matters).
So, Simplicity, to use your analogy, from my POV its OK to turn to another salesman to see what there is but just make sure one is not choosing the other salesman without careful consideration of what there is as an alternative product. If there is a good alternative product, fine. If not – then well…..Having a good sales pitch without a good actual alternative may not result in a happier customer. One example is Malaysia. It certainly is a more politically exciting and diverse place now but I just wish Anwar & the gang have more to offer than just good speeches and political rhetoric. UMNO needs to buck up but I haven’t seen the lives of people in the states that chose the opposition as having changed for the better due to the change in party. Once you choose something then you will have to live with the consequences. And in some sales, the sales pitch and product look good now but the after-sales service doesn’t work out well, and the product starts to crumble (can go both ways, opposition & ruling party).
As for others who are just venting, well, have fun in your monologues. If you are unable to participate meaningfully in this discussion, I do not have to engage you (as I have said to someone else before).
Singaporean
February 13th, 2010 at 9:38 am
I am going to vote for the Opposition not out of “blind faith” as you wrongly assumed.
I am doing it because I am experiencing a “dose of incompetent government”.
That’s what woke me from “apathy”.
Singaporean
February 13th, 2010 at 9:51 am
How can I “evaluate” the merits of the Opposition if I do not vote them into parliament and assess their performance ?
How can the Opposition “put forward viable alternatives” if we do not let them grow to form an alternative government ? Instead the incumbent thinks of ways to “fix” them.
Isn’t voting for the PAP based on past performance not another form of “blind faith” ?
Singaporean
February 13th, 2010 at 10:02 am
To use the Malaysian example you cited:
The ONLY REASON why UMNO is trying to “buck up” is precisely due to the electorate voting in the opposition to deny the ruling party 1/3 majority.
Malaysians are not stupid. They do not expect their lives to be improved overnight by voting in the Opposition.
Hopefully enough Singaporeans can see the light – the only way to make the ruling party listen to the cries of the people is to vote in the Opposition in sufficient numbers to make it count.
Singaporean
February 13th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Typo above – “2/3 majority”.
Khartini Khalid
February 13th, 2010 at 10:16 am
@Singaporean: All the best!
Bernard Leong
February 27th, 2010 at 4:54 am
Hahahh Geez To PAP and gerrymandering. Man ! As I said b4 and I say it to you too. I pointed it out cos Alex said it himself of leaving Singapore if PAP still wins the next one by 2012. Got guts , then retract the statement and prepare to dig in and fight it out for the long haul.
Personally, I am politically neutral for the sake of my ongoing research on politics. open to receiving views from all parties. If I conclude at the end of my 10 year research study that PAP is really crap and opposition is better – provided that I really think Singapore worth it for me , I will officially support and fight harder than Alex. That’s my word for u. Vice versa for PAP.
I am a swing voter for now, can be loyal and disloyal . Only when I am fully convinced that it is worth fighting for , I will go all the way even if it takes my whole life for it. I would still have no regrets. Happy CNY ! Cheers !
pingpong
April 13th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
The sad thing about having a political opinion in Singapore is that every criticism about policy becomes a crticism of the nation itself and construed as some sort of seditious opinion that undermines national interest. For example in Australia it would be a critcism of a policy under say the Rudd govt etc. Whereas in Singapore the ruling party is seen as being synonymous with govt. Something like an absolute monarchy of sorts. It’s frustrating for those who are genuinely concerned about the national interest.
If there is no public debate ( that is unfettered) then the line between political interests and national interest can be blurred.
btw only just discovered this blog, very interesting posts
The Pigs
June 13th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Spot on!
During my secondary studies, my views could be expressed only if the teacher picked me during class lessons. Those that raise their views without permission were considered rude and were punished. This is the somewhat similar to PAP in the days of Francis Seow. Ministers were merely “yes men.”